International Best Selling Author and Holistic Health Coach Tracy Dejardins connected so much with chatting about challenges like sugar addiction, emotional eating, body image challenges...etc.
Tracy's book, The Diet-Free Diva was written as she began her recovery from sugar addiction and her emotional eating healing. She speaks about her life as an overweight child and teen and how she developed a binge eating disorder and dieting for years, consistently failing. Until she discovered the missing pieces to health.
Hear Tracy's inspiring story and learn her top tips as she frees herself from sugar slavery.
You can also hear more from Tracy at the Quit Sugar Summit.
Table of Contents
- Causes of Adolescent Obesity
- Media’s Role in Dietary Lifestyle
- Getting Out of Sugar Addiction
- Five-Step Method to Eliminating Sugar Addiction
- Achieving a Healthy Relationship With Food
- Returning to Our Values
Causes of Adolescent Obesity
[00:00] Emma: My name is Emma Martin and this is the Lazy Keto Mum podcast. If you are looking for help with keto and low carb, you have come to the right place. Well, Tracy. Hello. It's lovely of you to join me so early in the morning. What time did you say it was?
[00:22] Tracy: It's ten minutes before six a. Am. On the east coast in the USA.
[00:28] Emma: And where are you?
[00:29] Tracy: I'm in Maryland, in the mid Atlantic region of the United States. Lovely.
[00:34] Emma: Is it cold there right now?
[00:37] Tracy: It's a little cold. Yeah. You can see how dark it is here. It's very early in the morning.
[00:42] Emma: Well, thank you. I'm so appreciative of you getting up so early in the morning. Thank you so much. Because it's about 09:00 here at night, so we're crossing moons, I think.
[00:55] Tracy: I love being on opposite ends of the moon together.
[00:59] Emma: And it's amazing, isn't it, when you think about the people you can meet through a journey of clean food and nutrition and people that there's another way. So, guys, I was lucky enough to meet Tracy a couple of weeks ago where we were speaking for the Quick Sugar Summit, which will air very shortly, probably just as you're starting to listen to this as it's released. And I'm just going to read her bio to you because we've got a really accomplished, inspiring lady here and I'm excited for you guys to hear from her. So Tracy is an international health coach. Tracy, how do I say your last name?
[01:37] Tracy: Desjardins.
[01:38] Emma: Desjardins. So. It's a French pronunciation. Dejardin. I should have asked before we started. So Tracy is an international health coach, mind, body eating coach, fitness professional and writer who specializes in holistic wellness coaching for women through her own prior struggles with being overweight dieting, binge eating, sugar addiction and emotional eating challenges. I think most of us can relate to these. Tracy shares a compassionate space with other women working through similar trials.
Her professional work is centered around helping women discover their own transformative steps to finding sustainable peace. Love that. With food, body and self without restrictive dieting. Lovely. Trace is also the co host of the Quit Sugar Summit, which is really exciting. That's from the USA. And it's a twice yearly event where she interviews numerous experts in the field of sugar addiction and help finding solutions for healing from addictive powers of sugar, flour and processed foods. And you wrote a book. So the book Tracy wrote is the diet free Diva. Now, guys, if you're listening, does that sound a little bit like our story? Absolutely.
In the book, Tracy describes her life story as it relates to her battle with dieting weight loss and offers an effective, groundbreaking approach for healing from emotional eating challenges. Tracy walks readers through five steps, nice and simple, that helps women connect to their inner diva. Love that who they are meant to be when they are not fighting with diets and they're living their best life. And we'll put her links down in the description of this bio. So goodness me. Amazing. So where did you start? What led you to writing the book?
[03:39] Tracy: Gosh, Emma, it's so interesting when you hear your own bio details back and you feel the sense of like yeah, all over again. And what led me to write this book is essentially I got a little productively angry about my own war with food, namely sugar, and this emotional eating thing, which I don't really think gets enough attention.
I think a lot of people battle this and I reached a point in my life where it was like, okay, am I going to spend the rest of my life in this war and then fail and war and reset the goals, do the diet again, try really hard, fall off the wagon and then go again? Is this all I was meant to do in my life? So I got really open and curious, and I call that really my face was flat on the ground with my diet, restrict binge, exercise, recover in my own private shame. I had had it with that. And my inner spirit was kind of like, tracy, come on, we have a life to live. We got to really admit that we need some help here and this is really a problem.
So I really dove deep into the why I was binging on sugar regularly after my best attempts at clean eating and restricting my healthy foods. What the heck was it that I was missing? And I had been doing this, Emma, for so long, and no doubt that a lot of your listeners are relating to this.
I was a slightly overweight child growing up in the 70s in the USA when the processed food revolution came onto the scene. And I had a sweet tooth and I loved my sweet treats and my little snacks, and all the processed sweets were really big. And I always felt like I always wanted more than my friends at lunch. I was always like, are you going to finish that Twinkie? Can I have it? I always wanted more at the birthday parties and I didn't know why. So I felt like I was I was flawed and I was a little overweight and there, you know, there's a.
[05:33] Emma: Little bit of like, if, you know.
[05:34] Tracy: Kids make fun in in school and we remember that I'm 52 years old and I remember that. Yeah. And I started to notice like, well, I got to fix my body at the ginger age of twelve and I was wearing the pretty plus clothing. And we had talked about this and and part of me didn't care. Part of me was like, hey, these pants are stretchy, they're comfortable. What's the big deal? Until the hormones started shifting and I believed I was a fighter and I was going to fit in no matter no matter what I was going to fit in. And I was noticing the magazine coverage. I was noticing what's on TV. I wasn't built like the Charlie's Angels and the Barbie doll, but I was going to try to fix that. And so I took that energy that God gave me, like that energy, that passion for being alive, and I put that into dieting.
I bought into that and I was going to work this, because that's what we're taught you. Work hard, use willpower. If you fail, you eat a Twinkie, you fall down, you eat five Twinkies, well, by golly, we're going to brush ourselves off, stand up. We're going to keep going the same way. And that's what dieting misses. Just keep going. Try this one and try that one, and try this one. Forget about reflecting on what are we missing here. I played that game for over 35 years and evolved into group fitness for aerobics. And it was really fun. I love music, I sucked at sports, but aerobics was fun to me. And that led me into the life of being a fitness professional on the world of group fitness and personal training. And I was still trying to out exercise my binges in private. Of course, I'm not going to tell anybody about this because nobody's really talking about this embarrassing thing where nobody does what I do with sweeps, alone in my car, stuff like that.
And I met Mike Collins in the With Quit Sugar Summit group. And I met other people later in my years. Emma I mean, I was playing this game for a long time, and I discovered there were other people like me who have the same challenges. My heart softened. I opened up, and during pandemic, I dove deep with my own coach. I had to put my ego over here. I've been a health coach for years, but I never really felt worthy of doing it too much because I had this problem with sugar. And that actually makes me a great coach because I understand that problem so, so much. And I was open to learning what I was missing.
When I discovered what I was missing, which wasn't about the food, I took it and ran with it. And now this is my life's mission. I closed my personal training studio. I still have a little foot in the door of exercise because it is part of living holistically well life. But I wrote the book because I felt like, okay, I figured out what I was missing. Other women need to know this. So my heart, blood, sweat and tears is in this book of mine, the Diet Free Diva. And it's my first book, and I hope to write more. But I've never feel more fulfilled in my work, ever, than in writing this book and not working with amazing women and meeting amazing women like you who are helping others, doing your flavor of coaching and helping. And that's pretty much my story and what led me to writing the book?
Media’s Role in Dietary Lifestyle
[08:54] Emma: Am I there's so many things you touched on there. Gosh, how inspiring. I'm interested in what the pivotal moment was. So obviously you might not remember it, but way back when you were a kid and you knew something wasn't quite right, but you thought it was your problem with willpower. When was that defining moment where that.
[09:17] Tracy: Change came, like, in terms of, this isn't working? Is that what you mean?
[09:25] Emma: What did you feel? What did you do at that point?
[09:28] Tracy: Yeah. Well, I really believe that God puts us in certain trials for certain reasons. To answer your question, at the ginger age of twelve is when I took on my first diet. And that moment that you're asking me about did not occur until age 50.
[09:43] Emma: Really? So you've got this 30 years or I can't do the math, but you've got this massive history of feeling guilt and shame about why you didn't have enough willpower. And now we know it's not about that. It's about maybe the food pyramid that we've been given. It's maybe about the social media. What do you think is the main contributor to that that we feel like such failures?
[10:10] Tracy: The media. It's maddening. If you look at this, I don't know how it is in Australia, but here's how it is in the USA. For example, the holidays. We got Christmas, all the junk is thrown in. Or you have to make the gingerbread, you have to buy the cookies. All that stuff is front and center. You have to buy this and do this, or you're going to miss out. Like, holidays are all about sugar and gorging. And you deal with it right around December 26, even, like maybe the 24th. They bring the Slim Fast, all of the current pop culture diet products, they're front and center down the grocery store. So they lure you in at the right timing, and we all buy into it.
Why? Because it's just in front of us all the time. The commercials with the celebrities, with the fake food that's on TV will spend all this money and you're going to look like this. I mean, how can we not escape that? We are intelligent people with a purpose to live. And we reach a point where like, okay, I'm tired of this feeling where I can't trust myself. I know that something's whispering me, whispering to me, like, come on, Tracy, we probably know what to do.
But we've spent so many years fighting and failing and fighting and failing that we can't trust ourselves. So we're going to buy that plan. We're going to do what our neighbor Betty's doing, who just lost £20 doing that thing without thinking about whether it resonates with us. We're just going to go do it, swipe the credit card, and find the motivation to start getting really uncomfortable in the fight against food. And that's not the way to do it.
Getting Out of Sugar Addiction
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[11:50] Emma: You're right. I think then we are on this cycle of feeling the guilt. Failure. Well, I failed again. I failed again. I failed again. And that went missing the key. So when you discovered that you were maybe sugar addicted, what did you do? How did you get off sugar? Because it's a pretty addictive thing.
[12:11] Tracy: Oh, gosh, amma, let me just tell you this. I was the fitness chick who was the clean eating baking expert. I had all the recipes. People were coming to me. I'm hosting workshops. And my truth was, I was too scared to admit that I was still binging on the healthy stuff and that I had a problem. It was like I was in denial because I needed it so much for comfort. That the thought of living without my dark chocolate banana bread, little bite thingies or whatever the heck it was, the thought of that was too scary because I didn't know how else to cope and to feel happy, to feel comfort, it was like medicinal, but celebratory at the same time.
The thought of that, I could not even comprehend it. Here's the thing, Emma. When pandemic hit, I was to turn 52 months later when pandemic hit, and I was like, I'm going to be at my best self, which meant I was going to weigh £130. I don't weigh £130.
[13:17] Emma: Okay?
[13:18] Tracy: But that is what the height weight charts told me. And I had that ingrained in my head. So I had this. Here I go again with my tactics for clean eating with all the right things. And I was trying to trick myself with the sugar, and I was binging again, like it wasn't working. I didn't know what I was missing. So I had had it. I tearfully had had it, because when pandemic hit, I had to shut my business down.
Everybody were all at home. I lost it. And I went back to my heavy binging days. Hormones kind of kicked in around 40. I couldn't get away with the amount of binging I used to do, but I was still doing it a little bit. I was real clever and sneaky. Well, I I fall back into my, like, college days of binging where I'm I'm pounding the Ben and Jerry's by the pint for dinner every night during pandemic, I threw my hands up in the air and I felt God saying to me, tracy, come on, come on. We have space. We have time to think and be, we're home. Can you listen to me now? You have a problem. I can help you, or you can keep doing things your way and it's not going to go so well for the rest of your life. That was my moment.
[14:26] Emma: So then how did you actually get off the sugar? What did you do?
[14:32] Tracy: I found this amazing place called the Quit sugar Summit. Everybody's online. Like, what is the quit sugar summit? I have a problem with sugar, and I want to talk about it. I found other people that are talking about it, so I stopped eating it. Emma I did my very first, and I had my heart and my humility. My ego is over here now because I don't know what I don't know. And I was open to not putting it in my body. No flour, no sugar. For I started with 30 days, and I started to notice how I felt for the first time ever. It wasn't a fight. It was an experiment, and I liked it. I started to like how I felt. I started to like what was going on up here and in here and, oh, my gosh. It was like that was my timing. Emma I wasn't ready for that earlier in my life because I'm supposed to help other people now with it. I needed to understand it. I needed to be in there with it to understand. But bottom line is, I started to shift my relationship with it. I like who I am more without it. I learned to trust myself than it was, like, out of the way. And that led me to write the book.
[15:44] Emma: That's amazing. So how do you feel now?
[15:49] Tracy: I feel empowered. I feel like I've taken my life back. I feel like I have grown up. In my book, I talk about princess. Princess is always trying to get external approval from the world based on her body and her weight and all that stuff that we're sold with the media. I don't weigh £130. I don't get on the scale. Emma, because I'm not going to give it power. I like how I feel in my body, and I have turned into that mature woman that I was meant to be, and I did that. I had to do it to get out of the sugar fog and to get through those addictive cravings. You got to get it out of your body if you want the cravings to go away. I firmly believe that. And it's not easy, but one day at a time. It's simple. We can do 24 hours of something.
[16:39] Emma: Absolutely. So you mentioned when those sugar things and cravings kick in, what are you replacing that with? Replacing?
[16:50] Tracy: I love that I started to replace it during the detox early on, to try that. That was part of the experiment. Whereas, if anybody can relate who's listening, my challenge zone was 03:00 P.m. To 06:00 p.m. Like, I would ruin my dinner. I would give up on dinner. What's going on? For me when I would forget all of my promises and say, Screw it, get in my car and go drive for the sugar. What was that? I needed help with that. So what I started to do is give myself space at that window of three P. Three to 06:00 p.m. Mike Collins quit Sugar Summit. He taught me this. He said, Tracy, our brains are at their lowest at that time of day. We've been up all day. We've been working hard. Type A personalities. We go, go, go. We need a break. That is not the time to push to get more work done. Something up here. This is in my book. I had to push for productivity. I wasn't enough unless I was getting all my work done and getting a head start for the next day. That's not how it is. I needed a break from that.
So giving myself permission to do something fun or to lay down with my dogs on the couch for 30 minutes is what I really needed to tune in. To tune in. What do I really need? I was always trying to fill up on energy to keep going. Well, do I really need to keep going? I really, really don't. So it was all of that, like, really Emma for me. It was tuning in on what do I really need? Am I even hungry at 03:00 p.m oftentimes? I'm not. If I am, I have a healthy snack. I love that. And I'm no longer I don't have cravings anymore because I learned to tune in to my body's wisdom. What's going on and what do I really need?
[18:39] Emma: Yeah, and I love that you said so many things there. And often we are so busy as mums or women. We're running households, we're running kids back and forth. We're looking after dogs, we're trying to look after everybody. And often we take the backseat and we don't look after ourselves. And Stephen Covey came to mind. Who is The Seven Habits of Highly Effective or Successful People? And sharpen the sore is one of those habits. But why do we not think it's okay to do that? What has happened in our society that we actually think it's not okay to take time for ourselves? And there's some guilt around that, I think, as well, you mentioned. Sorry, did you want to add something.
Five-Step Method to Eliminating Sugar Addiction
[19:26] Tracy: Real quick? Yeah. Chapter one in the diet free Diva speaks to that. It's called discover and write your Food story. Why is that? Why do we feel or think that we need to chase before we can get to where we want to go in relationship with food, body, self, to get the results that we want to have peace, to have freedom? We have to look back lovingly, with compassion as to where we've come from to examine that story and say, oh, well, look at that and look at that. That's my favorite part of the coaching, helping let me go through the food story and look at the steps that we where do we come from? No victimhood, no blame, all compassion and validation. Where did you come from? What's your story? Let's talk about this. And we can connect those dots, which are clues.
[20:14] Emma: Yeah, and it's interesting that you mentioned that as you're talking about that. My mom. I don't remember this but my mum told me a story about always wanting another. We call them cupcakes. I don't know if it's the same as panic at Kindy. So kindergarten. I'm four years old, and I always wanted another one like you were talking about. I never felt like I had enough. And my mom berated me. She's like? Well, Emma? No. And she was making me feel guilty. And I've carried that guilt for 45 years. So that becomes so ingrained. Oh, no, I'm a failure. Oh, no, I shouldn't be doing that. So you've got that I call it the Great Untangling. You've got to untangle all those webs. So you mentioned chapter one, but I'm interested actually in the five steps that we mentioned. When I read out your bio, those five steps, would you touch on those?
[21:12] Tracy: Oh, I'd love to. So, step number one, discover and write your food story. Let's look at with compassion where we come from, what you mentioned about your relationship with your mother, so many of us can relate to that, and there are reasons for that, and the reasons are very, very valid, and they're part of who we are today, and they're worthy of some softening up, an examination.
Step number two is also really important. Identify your top three personal values. We have to discover who we really are innately and our soul, what's really important to us. Then I help women write their why for doing this work and for being open to discover their answers, their solutions, with food, body and self.
Step number three is just so exciting because it talks about the trifecta of mind, body and spirit and healing mind. What's going on up here? We have voices. We talk about those voices, and then we talk about promoting a certain voice and recognizing another voice and quieting that one down to work on that healing.
And step number four, finally, we're going to talk about food, right? I do not prescribe food. I am not a dietitian. You're not going to get a meal planned in my book, but I'm going to help you make yours based on your terms and what makes you tick. So we talk about cleaning things up. It's an experiment. A 14 day, whole natural food cleanup experiment. And then I throw a little splash in about exercise, let's call it joyful movement of your body. Do you like to dance? Great. Do you like to swim? Great. I hate to run. I'm never going to go running. What do you love to do? And that's fantastic.
And then step number five, we bring it all together about how to be in society. And look, when the Slim Fast comes out, what your neighbor Betty is doing, you're passing the Dunkin Donuts, whatever that is, the triggers in society that will tempt us to slide back. I talk about things like putting our special glasses on and stepping into our queen and living our life on our terms. And trusting that and living that narrow road one day at a time, and that just really brings everything all together.
Achieving a Healthy Relationship With Food
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[23:25] Emma: I love that. I love the Joyful Movement stuff, because we've been told to eat less, move more, and it's so wrong. Whereas if you are going out and you're doing Joyful Movement, you're going for a walk and you've got the birds, or you're listening to music that you love, and I call it Dancers with brooms. So you put the music on and you build a playlist with Abber and the Bee Gees or I'm showing my age now music. Right. It's that like, do you remember dancing around, doing, I don't know, the housework or whatever, but I think that kind of exercise, which is not exercise. You're right. It's joyful movement. And I think creating those endorphins and getting all the hormones going like that's, the joy and letting go of what we're supposed to be doing. So I love those steps.
[24:23] Tracy: Can I say something else? First of all, I put disco music on and clean my house. It's amazing. It's therapeutic good. But the other thing, too, and this is so much we could be talking about here, but like I mentioned, I come from a fitness background, and anybody out there that ever heard this and it, oh, it just sends me through the roof. Eat to fuel your body. That, to me, sounds harsh, it sounds cold, it sounds ego driven. It makes me crazy. Well, yeah, let's eat to fuel our body. However, emotional eating is not a bad thing. Why? We really should like what we're eating. We should find pleasure in what we're eating that can be confused to fuel your body. Because that sounds like, okay, fight and eat the healthy way.
I encounter so many women that are fighting to eat the healthy way, and they're binging on the weekends because they don't know how to enjoy their food. They feel like, okay, I need to follow this healthy plan. And when we're not enjoying our food and understanding how and not being afraid of giving ourselves pleasure in the foods that we're eating, then we're setting ourselves up for disaster. So I do a lot of work with emotional eating, and there's a difference between checking out with food and checking in with food.
[25:46] Emma: That's really I love that you said that. And I was thinking one of the biggest changes, I'm keto, but I'm lazy. Keto. So if mangoes are in season here, I eat them, because they're seasonal. And we have taste buds for a reason. We're supposed to enjoy our food. That's why we were given these things that can taste all these delicious flavors, and so why not enjoy them? But you're right. I think so many of us have grown up with these guilty pleasures. Why do we even call it that? Because that's what we were told it was called by maybe our moms or our teachers. But you're right. We've enjoyed food for millennia. That's how we communicated with people. We'd sit around and have a feast. Why did we become so scared of that? Maybe we're eating the wrong food.
[26:46] Tracy: Well, that and then when you tack on the restrictive diets, there's plenty of them out there that creates this zone of, let me give up on my own wisdom and let me believe in the plan. I know nothing. I can't trust myself. That, by the way, filters out into other aspects of our life. We pay that price heavily. That's part of it. Whereas we were born with this natural appetite for whole foods. I'm with you. I love mangoes. Like, right now, it's winter in the United States. Pineapple tastes terrible. It looks terrible in the sun. So I make a lot of soups and stews. Sweet potatoes are calling my name every single day. I know they're high carb, but they call my name every day. They make me feel satiated, and that's really, really important.
[27:38] Emma: I don't know that sweet potatoes are actually that high carb. You've got tons of fiber, which is feeding all your gut microbiome. If they're calling you and you know they're real food, then I think you've got to listen to that. I'm keto, but with lazy keto. I don't consider that restrictive, because the only thing is, really, I don't eat are processed foods anymore. I don't eat foods in boxes. I don't eat refined sugar, and I don't eat refined flour, like, and I think that's been freeing.
So to get off that blood sugar roller coaster and to actually go, you know what? If I want to mangle, I'm going to have a bit of healthy fat with it to slow down that blood sugar response. And I think you're right. We fall off restrictions because that's human nature.
[28:31] Tracy: Yeah. And what you just said, everything you just described is very intuitive. You have learned to trust your inner wisdom and become intuitive, and that's really what you and I are helping people do, because we traded that in for the false promise of the diet programs or this eating style. And that's so important to you described how you feel.
And when we learn to identify and notice how we feel based on what we eat and we connect with that, the pounds shed that aren't meant to be on our bodies, you start to slide into your clothes. And that's a side benefit of becoming healthy and stepping into your inner diva, where you know what works for you, emma, you're a mega diva.
[29:18] Emma: You are such a diva.
[29:20] Tracy: You're living your best life on your terms, and you know what works for you, and you're helping other people discover that. I can't think of a more fulfilling and heartfelt role to play as women alive on planet Earth right now.
Returning to Our Values
[29:34] Emma: You're so right. I love that you said that. Thank you. Diva. Back at you. When we spread that and we. Teach people that you can be a diet free diva using your phrase, it frees them and it frees them from the traditional dieting. And you're right, we have to teach people what happens with sugar and what does flour do in your body? So they still need the practical. But what I love about what you're doing is that you're dealing with so much mindset, like giving them the space to think, okay, well, who am I? What are my values? Actually, what are your top three values?
[30:15] Tracy: Thank you so much for asking. All right. My top three values, and it took a while for me to it takes a while to think about this. I do workshops. This is the hardest part. Okay. Mine are health and wellness. Number one, obviously, my decisions in my life have to align with that high value of health and wellness. Very important to me. Number two, independence and freedom. I do not like rules. I don't like being told what to do. I'm a creative soul. That's very important to me. Don't try to put me in a box.
[30:44] Emma: And that's just me.
[30:45] Tracy: Independence and freedom kind of categorized there. And the last number three in my life now, fulfillment and achievement. My purpose to help other women is very, very important in my life, and I need to be aligning my daily work and my decisions to match up with that. I'm so glad you asked that, because I spent a lot of time helping women identify, well, who the hell are you? Forget the shooting. What people are telling you should be important. What is important to you right now in your life? At your age? Right now in your life?
[31:19] Emma: Absolutely. Well, I love those values. And what I see from you just embodies that, like, you are sending out those waves right across the world right now, because I don't know about you guys listening, but I can feel it. So thank you for being so true to yourself. It's wonderful. Now, if people want to reach out or they want to get your book, where would they find you?
[31:41] Tracy: Yeah, I'm on Amazon in the United States, but they can also head over to my website, which is The Holistic Divas.com. You'll see a link that will take you to where you can buy my book. And I also have a free, downloadable, very colorful and fun workbook to get you started on those five steps that we went over. So it's on the front page of my website, www.theholisticdiva.com.
And I have your free, downloadable workbook that goes along with my book. And also I just recorded it on Amazon audible, so in my own voice, which was really powerful and harder than I thought. That's coming out in a few weeks. I'm really super excited about that. So thanks so much for asking. Emma oh, that's wonderful.
[32:24] Emma: Well, you guys need to head over there and grab a copy of that and grab the audible when it comes out. Well, hopefully it's just coming out of this podcast as you're listening. That would be cool. But that cheat sheet, I'm going over there to download that. So if you guys want more information, you can check out underneath. All the links will be there and you can have a look and a listen and a stalk and a read.
And you can also find Tracy on Facebook, which is really cool. So thank you so much for your time today. You are an absolute ray of sunshine. I'm so appreciative of you getting up so early in the morning to talk to us.
[33:00] Tracy: This has been wonderful, Emma. And this is so funny because now you're getting ready for bed and I'm getting ready for work. So I'm so grateful and honored to be on this amazing podcast with your guests.
[33:11] Emma: Well, thank you so much. Let's talk soon, and I'll see you on the Quick Sugar summit.
[33:15] Tracy: Absolutely looking forward to it.
[33:17] Emma: Thanks so much, Tracy.
[33:19] Tracy: Thanks, Emma. Hello.